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<\/a>Doug Soles, on , said:<\/p> <\/a>Scott Joerger, on , said:<\/p>
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\nI think the problem with using a Watchout style ranking method in one particular state vs. the entire country is that the teams race head to head often and people are well aware of the results. It is very hard to know who is better in CA vs. NY without racing head to head, so someone like Watchout and a little math help to give insight on that. It is very clear from the most recent results which teams are better than others in CA, especially which ones will perform better on an important course like Mt. SAC. After a big meet like that, with all the data provided by you on this site, it is easier for people to say which teams are ahead of the others, especially as we enter the end of the season. I have seen this with our own team in the rankings, as our boys depth and inconsistency from our top guys has still somehow produced us staying up in the rankings ahead of teams that have clearly outperformed us recently. My suggestion to you would be if you like the math season long strategy, that is great. Leave yourself some wiggle room to adjust the order based on the obviousness of results (a team that has consistently beat another one but has a little less math because of a meet or two difference in attendence) if you want the vast majority of the people looking at your rankings to give them any credence.
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\nJust my opinion, keep up the hard work. It is appreciated.
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\nDoug
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\nThanks Doug I appreciate that - and that's exactly what I've been trying<\/em> to do!
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\nFrom summer to the first rankings after Woodbridge, I stuck with the straight math approach - and got a lot of feedback that I seemed to disregard specific match-ups at Woodbridge. Since then I have been doing a blend of the calculated best and the most recent head to head results. So a team may calculate higher than their recent performance (i.e. the GO boys), and I slot them somewhere in the middle using some judgement. For the GO boys I dropped them from 3rd to 6th, even though their performance at Mt. Sac was lower than that - their earlier performances supported that ranking.
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\nIf people want to just see the most recent performances in order, I already published the merged scores. Rankings can't rely solely on that last performance. Do I get that right every time? Absolutely not. But that's the plan!","date_added":"Oct 31st 2013, 2:44pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":193095,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-4588.jpg","pb_title":"Scott Joerger","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=4588","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/ScottJoerger.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"388"},"898709":{"pb_id":"10145","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"898709","comment_id":"898709","member_id":"10145","comment":"
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\nHonestly I show the Mira Costa and Redondo girls as neck and neck - it came down to a judgement call that could have gone either way. The Bay League is stepping up and producing some of the best teams in California once again!
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\nScott,
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\nI think the problem with using a Watchout style ranking method in one particular state vs. the entire country is that the teams race head to head often and people are well aware of the results. It is very hard to know who is better in CA vs. NY without racing head to head, so someone like Watchout and a little math help to give insight on that. It is very clear from the most recent results which teams are better than others in CA, especially which ones will perform better on an important course like Mt. SAC. After a big meet like that, with all the data provided by you on this site, it is easier for people to say which teams are ahead of the others, especially as we enter the end of the season. I have seen this with our own team in the rankings, as our boys depth and inconsistency from our top guys has still somehow produced us staying up in the rankings ahead of teams that have clearly outperformed us recently. My suggestion to you would be if you like the math season long strategy, that is great. Leave yourself some wiggle room to adjust the order based on the obviousness of results (a team that has consistently beat another one but has a little less math because of a meet or two difference in attendence) if you want the vast majority of the people looking at your rankings to give them any credence.
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\nJust my opinion, keep up the hard work. It is appreciated.
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\nDoug","date_added":"Oct 31st 2013, 2:29pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":193095,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Doug Soles","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=10145","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Doug-Soles.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"12696"},"898684":{"pb_id":"4588","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"898684","comment_id":"898684","member_id":"4588","comment":"